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Auto workers pay and benefits
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MarylandMark
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Model it after the VA since that works so well... :huh:
BBB725
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Cat the problem still remains the big 3 can make 17 million car a year but the public is only buying 10, some people are going to lose their jobs bail out or not
rockfish71
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The average 20 year plus time person that works for them on a 40 hour base earns 50,000.00 a year this is for people 20 years plus just like most people plus health benifits equal about 10,000 a year so where do you guys think they make 100,000 plus a year. yes the people that spend there life there per year will make 100,000 a year
maybe we should all drive honda's and toyota's and work in sweat shops
by the way if you guys where in these guys shoes working at the big three you would have the same feelings they do....
The workers are not the problem it's the over price clowns running the show.. and for the people that don't make 50,000.00 a year your the ones geting fuXXed by the middle man that is sucking the most out of the big three it some sort of way. you can't even raise a family on 50,000 grand a year in to days world. and when all these union jobs are gone we will all be working for pennys on the dollar. Get real we all need to save what we have left in this country or we will all be fuc!ed,
maybe we should all drive honda's and toyota's and work in sweat shops
by the way if you guys where in these guys shoes working at the big three you would have the same feelings they do....
The workers are not the problem it's the over price clowns running the show.. and for the people that don't make 50,000.00 a year your the ones geting fuXXed by the middle man that is sucking the most out of the big three it some sort of way. you can't even raise a family on 50,000 grand a year in to days world. and when all these union jobs are gone we will all be working for pennys on the dollar. Get real we all need to save what we have left in this country or we will all be fuc!ed,
ImaPoser
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So if the workers get cut off from their great income, you won't get paid for the job you are doing. And how many other GM employees won't be out there to buy boats and have other people work on them? Do you think this is going to help the rest of the economy to have all these people out of work?
Look. All of these people are not going to lose their jobs. But 1/3 or so MUST lose their jobs. I'm a real estate guy (architect, custom home builder, developer, commercial property manager and realtor). Nobody will ever bail me out. I knew that from the moment I decided to work for myself (when I was 8 years old!). Like it or not, this is going to happen. The cherry ride is over! Fukin' deal with it! I can't wait to see the UAW break in two!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Offshore Ginger
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HA HA HA the boat wont leave the shop and here is a good question for you , why should another working man bail out another and besides i think they need a reality check and give me a break all that money for twisting two bolts with bennies and might i ask WHAT ECONOMY ?
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Ratickle
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The $30 per hour figure came from a UAW spokesman/study rolling in all the bonuses paid to their workers from their profits this past year. Their wages are less by about $4 per hour. Average bonus was $8,000. Unfortunately, Donna, the benefits are that big. Only in government, and the auto industry, can you get a pension and health care for life with no input of your own money. Just about everyone else has to contribute to both in order to survive after retirement. The $20 per hour expense difference for benefits equals about $6.4 billion per year for GM alone.
DETROIT (AP) --Hourly wages for United Auto Workers laborers at General Motors Corp. factories actually are almost equal to those paid by Toyota Motor Corp. at its older U.S. factories, according to the companies. GM says the average UAW laborer makes $29.78 per hour, while Toyota says it pays about $30 per hour.
The difference is in benefits, with the unionized factories having far higher costs.
GM says its total hourly labor costs are now $69 including wages, pensions and health care for active workers, plus the pension and health care costs of more than 432,000 retirees and spouses. Toyota says its total costs are around $48. The Japanese automaker has far fewer retirees and its pension and health care benefits are not as rich as those paid to UAW workers.
The UAW has not been able to organize workers at a Toyota plant in this country; it does represent workers at one joint GM-Toyota plant in Fremont, Calif.
MarylandMark
Charter Member
and the phone company... :sifone:
And they're shedding people like mad. One of the big telecoms is a client- we're quoting a massive amount of sub-contract work that's currently being handled by union employees. Again, union entrenchment- but in this case they're preparing to bust them out.
MarylandMark
Charter Member
10% of my company were RIF'ed on 10/30- mostly management- with more RIF's on the way. They are offering incentives (ISP's) to retire to most craft employees as well. Shedding an average of 4K employees per year through attrition that aren't being replaced.
The other thing is since 8/03 we have a tiered contracts. Anyone hired after 8/03 doesn't have employment protection (no layoff clause), pays a portion of their benefits, lower pay, lower pension, etc.
They were basically hired to build out the fiber-to-the-premise (Fios) network and then will be released with the employee's left to maintain it. They use to call them temp/term/36 month employees but they work harder when they think they have a chance to be hired on as a "core" employee (some do) so they dropped those titles.
Hired before 8/03?
$0 contribution to medical, dental or vision with coverage for life for you and your spouse
$0 contribution for life insurance, short term and long term disability
$0 contribution to pension (lump sum $400K+ or $3K/mo for life for my labor intense position; spouse would get 1/2 for the rest of their life if worker passed)
82% match on 1st 6% of 401K contributions
4 weeks va-kay after 3 years (start with 3) and goes up to 7 weeks over time
11 paid holidays
11%ish raise over next 3 years with COLA the last 2
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